, a few rogue employees. we heard that from the acting commissioner before he was fired this week, steven miller. that's not true. >> right. by the way, the people of ohio must be delighted to know that cincinnati is now some sort of political backwater all of a sudden. by the way, this is a situation where they had specifically centralized all of the looking at this, these tax exempt organizations in cincinnati. then they turn around and say, oh, whoops. actually guess what? we weren't paying any attention over there. so that whole line is really sort of absurd. quite a side, by the way, from whatever coordination there was as this information was run up to the chain to washington, which we now know it was as early as 2011. >> we also know there was some letters that had been sent from democrats on capitol hill, including max baucus, the head of the senate finance committee, chuck schumer, very powerful democrat on the finance committee, essentially challenging the irs to go after these tax exempt groups. so there is a sense -- while we don't know to what extent the irs at least we don'